A Discussion of the ms.* Usenet Hierarchy

Version 0.11 of 28 Nov 2001
NOTE: The content of this file was mostly gleaned from many ms.general posts during the Summer of 1996, a few private emails, and the common knowledge of the ms.* regulars. It represents a second attempt at a FAQ.
Names associated with particular quotes have been removed here to protect the innocent and to respect the author's privacy. See ms.general on your ISP's news server for proper references.

If your Mississippi based ISP does not currently carry the ms.* Usenet news groups please refer your Usenet News Administrator to this Web Page.

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How did ms.* come into being?

Phillip Moore definitely deserves the credit for its creation.

What newsgroups currently exist?

ms.general
general information of common interest
ms.test
used for testing the ms.* news exchange
ms.config
created for the purpose of establishing a convention for the creation of additional groups.
ms.starkville.general
Philosophical Issues concerning Starkville, Mississippi
RFD posted 1997-03-21
Voted into creation 1997-03-26
ms.coast.general
Philosophical Issues concerning The Mississippi Gulf Coast
voted into creation 1997-04-19
ms.jackson.general

RFD posted 1997-04-24
CFV posted 1997-05-01
Voted into creation, 1997-05-02
ms.hattiesburg.general

RFD posted 1997-04-23
CFV posted 1997-04-30
Voted into creation, 1997-05-01
ms.linux

RFD posted 1997-09-10
Voting began 1997-09-25 with no formal CFV
Voted into creation, 1997-10-10
ms.oracle

RFD posted 2000-05-17
Voting began 2000-05-17 with no formal CFV
Maybe it's time for more groups, for example ms.chat could complement or replace the #mississippi channel mailing list that [someone] referred to. Getting more sites linked in would be the first step though.

What kind of discussions have appeared within the group(s)?

Who is coordinating the ms.* feeds these days anyway?

Who is coordinating? No one, really. We'll either cooperate and it will flourish or we'll squabble and it will disintegrate.

New sites aren't going to pick it up until someone puts them in contact with a site that does carry it to arrange a feed. The ms.* groups have thankfully not been leaked to the backbones [we have since been leaked to the backbones] where the spammer-infested online services would ruin them. [we have since been spammed]

In the short term, discussion should probably be the driving force for new groups. In the long run, we can discuss ms.config. In the even longer run, we can discuss voting procedures.

It may be time to collect some information: what is this thing called the ms.* usenet hierarchy, where did it come from, and where is it going? This might even result in a FAQ, to be served up at strategic points within MISNET. If a Mississippi based ISP doesn't carry ms.*, internal pressure might make it happen -- but only if we can get the word out.

It kinda irks that not all of the ISPs in Mississippi carry the ms.* Usenet groups. Teclink which has a large number of Jackson users doesn't seem to carry it, and attempts at dialog on the IRC locations that mississippians meet at were not succesful.

Too bad we don't have a central meeting place for mississippians online that want to use the news groups for a social outlet.

NETWORK: BeyondIrc
SERVERS: irc.beyondirc.net, irc.snowhill.com
CHANNELS: #Mississippi-Lite

Most active in the late evenings, from 10pm till 3am

NETWORK: UltraNet 
SERVERS: irc.netdoor.com
CHANNELS: #Mississippi

Most active in the early evenings

NETWORK: EFNet 
SERVERS: irc.efnet.net
CHANNELS: #Mississippi

Can we produce a complete list of the sites that participate in ms.*, the point-of-contact, and the exchanging sites?

SERVER: the name of the news server
POC:    the email address of the Point Of Contact for the news server
ALTPOC: the email address of the Alternate Point of Contact 
XCHNGS: list of machines exchanging the ms.* news hierarchy
CONFIG: whether the site is known to have newgroup'd ms.config
APPROV: the site's vote on the proposition that new groups be approved by
        a simple majority of News Administrators
ms.whatever: the site's vote on ms.whatever newsgroup creation 

msu: SERVER: nntp.msstate.edu 
msu: POC:    news@nntp.msstate.edu
msu: XCHNGS: netdoor, ole-miss, kopower
msu: CONFIG: yes
msu: APPROV: yes 
msu: ms.starkville.general: yes (#4)
msu: ms.coast.general: ??
msu: ms.jackson.general: ??
msu: ms.hattiesburg.general: ??
msu: ms.linux: ??
msu: ms.oracle: ??

usm: SERVER: nntp.usm.edu 
usm: POC:    news@usm.edu
usm: ALTPOC: jonathan.davis@usm.edu
usm: XCHNGS: netdoor, ole-miss, goldinc, datasync 
usm: CONFIG: yes 
usm: APPROV: yes 
usm: ms.starkville.general: yes (#5)
usm: ms.coast.general: yes (#6) 
usm: ms.jackson.general: yes (#4)
usm: ms.hattiesburg.general: yes (#1) 
usm: ms.linux: yes (#1)
usm: ms.oracle: ??

ole-miss: SERVER: news.olemiss.edu 
ole-miss: POC:    ??
ole-miss: XCHNGS: usm
ole-miss: CONFIG: ??
ole-miss: APPROV: ??
ole-miss: ms.starkville.general: ??
ole-miss: ms.coast.general: ??
ole-miss: ms.jackson.general: ??
ole-miss: ms.hattiesburg.general: ??
ole-miss: ms.linux: ??
ole-miss: ms.oracle: ??

goldinc: SERVER: news.goldinc.com 
goldinc: POC:    news@goldinc.com
goldinc: ALTPOC: maloy@goldinc.com
goldinc: XCHNGS: datasync, futuresouth, usm, kopower, umsmed, digimag
goldinc: CONFIG: yes
goldinc: APPROV: yes
goldinc: ms.starkville.general: yes (#2)
goldinc: ms.coast.general: yes (#2)
goldinc: ms.jackson.general: yes (#2) 
goldinc: ms.hattiesburg.general: yes (#2) 
goldinc: ms.linux: yes (#2)
goldinc: ms.oracle: yes (#1)

datasync: SERVER: newsfeed.ametro.net
datasync: POC:    news@ametro.net
datasync: XCHNGS: datasync, goldinc, futuresouth, netdoor, usm
datasync: CONFIG: yes
datasync: APPROV: yes 
datasync: ms.starkville.general: yes (#3) 
datasync: ms.coast.general: yes (#3) 
datasync: ms.jackson.general: yes (#7) 
datasync: ms.hattiesburg.general: yes (#6) 
datasync: ms.linux: yes (#4) 
datasync: ms.oracle: yes (#3) 

kopower: SERVER: news.kopower.com 
kopower: POC:    news@news.kopower.com
kopower: XCHNGS: msu, goldinc
kopower: CONFIG: yes 
kopower: APPROV: yes
kopower: ms.starkville.general: ??
kopower: ms.coast.general: yes (#5)
kopower: ms.jackson.general: yes (#3) 
kopower: ms.hattiesburg.general: yes (#7) 
kopower: ms.linux: yes (#3) 
kopower: ms.oracle: yes (#2) 

netdoor: SERVER: news.netdoor.com
netdoor: POC:    news-admin@netdoor.com
netdoor: XCHNGS: datasync, msu, ebicom, usm
netdoor: CONFIG: yes 
netdoor: APPROV: ?? 
netdoor: ms.starkville.general: yes (#7)
netdoor: ms.coast.general: abstain (#1) 
netdoor: ms.jackson.general: yes (#5) 
netdoor: ms.hattiesburg.general: ??
netdoor: ms.linux: ??
netdoor: ms.oracle: ??

futuresouth: SERVER: news.futuresouth.com 
futuresouth: POC:    tim@futuresouth.com
futuresouth: ALTPOC: postmaster@futuresouth.com
futuresouth: XCHNGS: datasync, goldinc, usm
futuresouth: CONFIG: yes 
futuresouth: APPROV: ?? 
futuresouth: ms.starkville.general: yes (#8) 
futuresouth: ms.coast.general: yes (#7) 
futuresouth: ms.jackson.general: yes (#6) 
futuresouth: ms.hattiesburg.general: yes (#8) 
futuresouth: ms.linux: ??
futuresouth: ms.oracle: ??

umsmed: SERVER: nntp.umsmed.edu
umsmed: POC:    magee@fiona.umsmed.edu
umsmed: XCHNGS: goldinc 
umsmed: CONFIG: ??
umsmed: APPROV: ??
umsmed: ms.starkville.general: ??
umsmed: ms.coast.general: ??
umsmed: ms.jackson.general: yes (#1)
umsmed: ms.hattiesburg.general: yes (#5)
umsmed: ms.linux: yes (#6) 
umsmed: ms.oracle: ?? 

ebicom: SERVER: ??
ebicom: POC:    ?? 
ebicom: XCHNGS: ??
ebicom: CONFIG: ??
ebicom: APPROV: ??
ebicom: ms.starkville.general: ??
ebicom: ms.coast.general: ??
ebicom: ms.jackson.general: ??
ebicom: ms.hattiesburg.general: ??
ebicom: ms.linux: ??
ebicom: ms.oracle: ??

telepex: SERVER: news.telapex.com 
telapex: POC:    ?? 
telapex: XCHNGS: msu
telapex: CONFIG: ??
telapex: APPROV: ??
telapex: ms.starkville.general: ??
telapex: ms.coast.general: ??
telapex: ms.jackson.general: ??
telapex: ms.hattiesburg.general: ??
telapex: ms.linux: ??
telapex: ms.oracle: ??

NOTE: MUW does not run their own news server; msstate allows
      NNTP connections from their domain.

NOTE: Netdoor has outsourced their News Service (again?).  The 
      level of participation of the largest ISP in Mississippi 
      within the ms.* club remains uncertain.

The list of Mississippi ISPs that do NOT yet participate in the propagation ms.* Usenet articles includes: Is this list complete?
Please send corrections and/or suggestions for improvement to maloy@goldinc.com

Contributing Authors:

Jay B. Parker
once had a link to this page :^)